Legendele palatului: Printul Jumong (1)

0:50 We know very well about the name Jumong who built Koguryeo about 2000 years ago. In Koguryeo foundation myth he was born from an egg and grew up to be an excelent archer. He was also called "Dongmyong".

1:25 "In September, the Emperor passed away. He was buried in Mt.Yongsan (dragon mountain), being titled Dongmyong-Sungwang (Holy emperor Dongmyong). This is a record in [Samguksaki (History of Three Dynasties of Korea)], through which we have believed that Dongmyong has refered to Jumong, founder of Koguryeo.
However, in historical records, another Dongmyong is found apart from Jumong. Now, we are going to solve the mistery about Dongmyong.

2:19 Onyeo fortress五女山城 (Whanin in the Yonyung Province (Liaoning 遼寧省, modern China) is 800 meters above sea level and this is where Koguryeo was born.
The 2000 year old rampart, 6m tall, is one exmaple of distinctive Koguryeo buildings : magnificient and substantial.

2:50 Onyeo fortress overlooking the Hon river was a fortress blessed with natural barriers for defense. There Jumong built Koguryeo.

3:03 [Samguksaki (History of Three Dynasties of Korea)] writes he was born in Buyeo and was already a crack shot when 7.
His natural brilliance and excellent skills of maritial art roused the animosity and jealousy of others, putting his life into danger.

To avoid a misfortune of losing his life, he left Buyeo with his followers, reaching Wannin city (in modern northern China). This is where Jumong built Koguryeo of Korea in BC37 .

4:00 In [Samguksagi], Jumong is called different name : "He was buried in the Dragon mountain and titled 'Dongmyong-sungwang/Holy emperor Dongmyong'".

4:20 There is a tomb considerd his in Wannin city (Laioning, Modern China). It is the biggest one in the area.
Is this area "Dragon Mountaion/Yong-san" written in [Samguksagi]?

5:05 Still it is uncertain if the tomb is Jumong's.

5:25 The stone monument was built by emperor Jangsu, son of Kwanggaeto, in 414 to celebrate Kwanggaeto's achievements.

On the 6.4m tall stone monument are engraved records about Koguryeo by Koguryeo people themselves.

One strange thing is that, according to the engraved record on the monument, the founder of Koguryeo Chumo, not Dongmyong written in [Samguksagi].

6:01 Another Koguryeo stone inscriptiion also says that the founder of Koguryeo is holy emperor Chumo (5C).

6:25 Han dynasty book Nonhyung 論衡 (1C) has first record about emperor Dongmyong.
In this book, Dongmyong is founder of Buyeo in stead of Jumong.

According to the book, he was born in Tangni dynasty of Buk-Yi and was an extraordinary man. His excellent skills of archery roused the animosity and jealousy of Tangni King. To avoid a misfortune of losing his life, he left Buyeo with his followers, reaching Wannin city (in modern northern China). This story is almost the same to the Jumong Myth. Is Jumong and Dongmyong the same person?

7:30 In one record, it says that Dongmyong fled from Tangni dynasty and built Buyeo, and according to the Jumong Myth, Jumong fled from Buyeo and built Koguryeo. Through the two records, the Dongmyong who built Buyeo is different person from Jumong who built Koguryeo.

7:50 The Dongmyong Myth is similar to the Jumong Myth but we can find different things between the two myths : different home lands ; different names of the rivers that they crossed. Especially one is called Dongmyong and the other Chumo.

8:25 Then, who was Dongmyong? The key to the mysterious name was found in Nakyang (洛陽 China) in 1922. It is a grave stone inscription of Cheon Namsaeng, son of Yeon Gaesomun.

The inscription says : Feeling the holy spirit, Dongmyong crossed the Sa-Cheon (river) and built a dynasty, and Jumong breed Sun and built a dynasty around Pae-Su (river). In one sentence the two figures are described as different persons.

Dongmyong built a dynasty before Jumong. Then who is Dongmyong apart from Jumong, forefather of Koguryeo?

Holy Emperor Dongmyong, Buyeo 1/7
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GUMUS-NOOR a scris:
Serialul e o combinatie intre adevar istoric si fictiune, uneori am senzatia ca sunt copil si citesc un basm cu feti frumosi si Ilene Cosinzene...dar e atit de frumos.....pacat de final;
Nu stiu daca ai citit pe port comentariile...
In serial copii nu sunt ai lui Jumong ...aici regizorul a gresit ...cum el a fost crescut si iubit -cum ne arata in serial ( unii istorici scriu ca era copilul cel mic al regelui) mai mult decit copii naturali ai Regelui .... acum copii lui Seoseno erau o piedica in calea lui Yuri ?
Regizorul si-a dat seama ca nu mai e cazul sa-l mai prelungeasca si a terminat serialul .
Azi am remarcat inca o data cum un actor ne poate emotiona ....Jumong cind a aflat ca sotia e insarcinata nu a aparut pe fata lui ceva care sa ne faca sa credem ca o iubeste la nebunie pe Yoseya...dar in momentul cind era impreuna cu Fratii de cruce si apare caravana lui Soseono .....fata lui Jumong exprima atita dragoste, durere , tristete (nu stia atunci prin cite greutati a trecut )....pacat ca regizorul a facut acel final ...
Am vazut acel final de nu stiu cite ori si de fiecare data am simtit o mare tristete..
Regizorul ar fi putut sa termine serialul ca sfirsitul fiecarui basm: au trait fericiti pina la adinci batrineti si nu se supara nimeni .

, Gumus-Noor, rad cand ma gandesc ca ce ai scris tu, am vb eu cu mami , ne uitam impreuna la film si pe urma comentam, se vede ca scenaristii sunt cei care au scris si povestea la Damo, nu am reusit sa inteleg finalul acestui film, s-a terminat asa sec, fara cap si fara coada...iar aici scena de final mi se pare cruda, trista, ma doare sufletul cand soseono il paraseste pe jumong fara sa stie ca e bolnav, iar el devastat privind cum pleaca..nu stiu mi se pare prea mult pt un om ca sa sufere atat, cam sadici si coreeni ca si turcii...intr-adevar ca nu vroiam un final ca si in basme dar nici chiar asa........

amelie a scris:

cind am vazut ca cineva a intrat pe forum la Seriale si a postat ..m-am bucurat ..in sfirsit a mai venit cineva sa discutam despre serial...dar stupoare.....nu era vorba despre serial ...ci
"Uitandu-ma la serialul cu Printul Jumong ma intereseaza sa cumpar de undeva niste pahare din care beau ei vin in serial.Ma putei ajuta?mersi "

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m-am intrebat daca e o gluma.....
.raspuns : faci o excursie in Koreea, vizitezi locurile istorice evocate in seriale(printre care si mormintul Lui JUMONG).....si daca ai noroc poate gasesti .....
cum poti crede ca noi stim de unde poti face rost de pahare .....dar uite iti ofer niste pahare virtuale vin

Regizorul a schimbat scenariul in momentul in care a prelungit serialul cu inca 21 de episoade . Momentul schimbarii a fost facut cind Soseono lesina si se confirma ca e insarcinata ....toata lumea il felicita pe Apas (rezulta dinainte ca era o casatorie formala ca sa nu fie concubina ) si vedem pe chipul lui cit de incurcat e ...se deduce ca nu era copilul lui...
Istorici in toate lucrarile lor scriu in dreptul lui Jumong ca cei doi copii sunt ai lui.....nu vad de ce nu ar fi scris ca sunt ai Apasului ...
Ei au studiat perioada lui Onjo (King Onjo), au aflat multe lucruri legat de acesta si am inteles ca sunt considerati descendetii a lui Jumong cei dupa linia asta din Baekje..

Cum poti crede ca un barbat ca Jumong dupa ce se topeste 80 de episoade dupa Soseono dintr-o data o iubeste pe Yosoya cu care in afara de faptul ca-i facuse un copil.nu-i leaga nimic ....
.Ma distreaza cind se vorbeste de scarificiile facute de Yosoya......intradevar s-a sacrificat cind a venit la de-a gata sa stea in palatul , in .tara facuta de Soseono impreuna cu Jumong ...unde fiul ei ajunge rege....
Era corect ca ea sa fie REGINA si Soseono sa fie concubina ? era normal ?
Soseono a facut o alegere grea dar corecta. si Istoria a rasplatita numind-o regina si sotia lui Jumong si niciodata concubina .

Cine a impedicat-o sa vina cu Yuri cind era mic la Jumong ? nimeni... a fost alegerea ei nu a lui Soseono, nu a lui Juomng .
.Mi-o si imaginez pe sotia lui mergind sa faca comert cu Caravana( insarcinata fiind) , sa aduca profituri, sa construiasca un palat , sa lupte alaturi de Jumong cu spada ,sa mearga in calatorie cu vaporul sa aduca alimente si medicamente , sa -si dea tara lui Jumong , sa caute sare , sa intre in gura mercenarilor , sa intre sa-l omoare pe cel care o umilise pe Soseono ...ma opres aici....am o imaginatie prea bogata

Intrebare: daca raminea cu sotia, Jumong mai înfiinţa regatul Goguryeo,?